How can we act effectively to protect the climate and our lives? In this interview, Andreas Malm underlines the central role of capitalism in the chain of ecological disasters. The author of "The Anthropocene against History" (2017), "How to sabotage a pipeline" (2020) and "The Bat and Capital" (2020) argues for not only the use of non-violence, but also the sabotage of material goods that symbolise over-consumption.